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Resonate

03-21-2008, 12:57 PM

Does Web CEO infringe Goggle's policies? I think somewhere it (google) states that using software to boost one's rankings will be banned or something.

Not at all, you are able to control how webceo operates, software which infringes on Google's T&C's are usually the ones which use search function 100 times a second you limit the work you do or simply use webceo to advise on methods to optimize your website.

Flying Monkeys

03-21-2008, 11:27 PM

By the way, thanks for having this convo.

. . . Can you clean up this statement for me?
" software which infringes on Google's T&C's are usually the ones which use search function 100 times a second you limit the work you do or simply use webceo to advise on methods to optimize your website."

I'm very new to SEO. U said you have their 'free' version. What's the benefits to having the 300$+ version??

Resonate

03-22-2008, 11:11 AM

For instance you are checking your rankings in search engines for chosen keywords manually this could take years as you would have to find your web site on possible thousands of pages.

Seo software can do these searches instantly but can sometimes
mean submitting the same search term to find your rankings hundreds of times in a couple of seconds which reflects bad on your website. You can control webceo to have more of a human approach & do it slower like a human can away from search spamming.

Flying Monkeys

03-22-2008, 03:01 PM

Okay, then what the benefits between the free and 300$ versions of Web CEO?

gabs

03-25-2008, 07:38 AM

Best software imho is:

Excel..
Notepade..
Dreamweaver..
and php ;)

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 08:07 AM

Notepad? You have dreamweaver, no need for notepad, right...?

What do you do with excel and seo? Make fancy spreadsheets and diagrams for clients? Just curious cause I don't see why one would use excel for coding and such.

Php is a coding language and is the last book I have in my course (a year long course). How does SEO tie in with Php? From my limited knowledge of php, it's used to create forums, shopping carts, forms, etc.

Thanks.

gabs

03-25-2008, 08:20 AM

Dreamweaver (DW) has pretty colours :D .. Make life better..

Excel is great for messing around with keywords and creating variations ..

Note is great for small page changes if DW isn't open..

php .. Yep php outputs html..

You can have great fun with php e.g.

$text2=str_replace($b, "<b>".$b."</b>", $text2);

This would bold $b text...

If $text2="This would bold $b text..."
If $b="would" then you'd get: This would bold $b text...

Of course you can do it the manual way but If you are playing around with 100,000's of pages on a site it could take a life time ;)

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 08:26 AM

Yes, pretty colors indeed. :cool:

Do you know CSS? It sounds your using PHP for what I think CSS was created for. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a very new designer)

What do you mean by "messing around with keywords and creating variations "? (Again, new to SEO as well)

Thanks again.

gabs

03-25-2008, 08:39 AM

hehehe..

To bold with gives search engine like google signals..

A document should contain the following..

- A title (h1 tag)
- Content (use of paragraphs)
- Any sub titles (h2,h3 so on)
- Bolded words (bolds, italics)

When at uni I learnt how to write a document regarding the techie side of thing like refferencing paragraphs and section.. The web is the same..
Every page is a published document NOT just some "web page " ..

Loads of guides on how to write essay that are worth a read imho .. e.g. http://www.english.bham.ac.uk/staff/tom/teaching/howto/essay.htm

The only use imho of seo software is to warn you that you have forgotten a heading.. OR not enough text blah..

When starting seo I do think its good to have a looky at them but I wouldn't expect amazing results just because you have paid $50 or whatever.. : )

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 08:48 AM

I don't think I'm following your line of thought.

I understand those elementary things (h1, h2/h3/, content, etc) but are you saying that its 'better' to do things in php to increase rankings (this is since you said "To bold with gives search engine like google signals.")??

In some ways, I feel really lost because you posted stuff about 'essay creation' when I was asking about "keywords and variations".

On top, the statement about seo software. Are you saying that seo software is just a waste? If so, why? (i couldn't understand your defense)

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstandings.:)

gabs

03-25-2008, 08:51 AM

For a bit of fun..

From http://www.webceo.com/how-it-works/features.htm

Report sharing system (excel make them yourself ?? )
Keyword suggestion tool (http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/ one of many and isn't so "limited" )
Optimization tool (just read this http://www.seomoz.org/article/search-ranking-factors)
SEO Editor (notepage and filezilla)
Submission tool (no need)
Link popularity tool (link command or google webmaster tools)
Link partner finder (hmmm google search Lol)
PPC manager (adwords etc.. )
Ranking checker (webmaster tool and your Stats)
Traffic analysis (google analytics)
Uploader (filezila again)
Auditor (excel ? )

I'm not putting it down but hate to be a sheep.. All sites would look the same and "rank" the same if everyone used some "seo software" so who would rank no1 ? hehehe

imho download it.. Have a look..

Hope that helps ..

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 09:10 AM

So your saying the free thing is a waste of time?

How about the full version (i think it's like 480$ that comes with training in seo)?

Thanks for spelling it out for me. Yeah, I'm going to download the free version to check it out but also check out google's tools and tips (they got a lot of valuable infomation).

onlydo

03-25-2008, 09:59 AM

since it facilitate the job why not using it?

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 10:13 AM

That was going to be my next question.:eek: lol

gabs

03-25-2008, 11:09 AM

since it facilitate the job why not using it?
???

I've posted above articles and tools you can use the do the same job.. I've haven't used "seo software" since around 2001 WPG as I doesn't help with link building OR site strutures OR usabillity testing and conversion rates.. These are the thing I care about..

Rank checkers don't work.. Never have... The way to check ranking is your own stats and the odd query now and again.. Snap shot ranks are just like PR .. A snapshot in time..

Maybe I should of asked you first is it for a client or yourself..

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 11:28 AM

From my view (gabs) your post on "3/25(today) 07:51 AM" You went 'line for line' and had different features. One side used only one program (web ceo) and the other side, used about 5.

So, it would only make sense to condense them down into one area/program. (I've never used the program, so I wouldn't be able to say that they are 'as reliable')

This is first for me (for experience) then for a few friends/family (who own websites/businesses) and hopefully turn into a business for me.

Thanks for your expertise.

gabs

03-25-2008, 11:51 AM

So, it would only make sense to condense them down into one area/program. (I've never used the program, so I wouldn't be able to say that they are 'as reliable')

Yep.. Thats why I used to use WPG .. But if you think, what is the best car you can buy... A F1 car is faster than a tractor until you take it up a muddy track.

The metrics that software use to rate, see how "optimised" your page is is just an opinion of the creator.. After to make a few pages and sites and test your be able to see then its hard to actually write pages that are above or below those metrics.. Writing copy for humans. tag it up to give the most signals you can for what the page is about NOT what k/w you are targetting and your pretty well done ;)

Flying Monkeys

03-25-2008, 07:30 PM

wpg? (sorry I don't know any jargon)

That sounds good. Even though it's a list of 5 or so programs, they are more reliable and can help/diagnose even the worst of rankings.

I'm learning a lot from SEO moz site. Thanks for that. I'm always interested in advice and help when it comes to this stuff.

gabs

03-26-2008, 07:09 AM

wpg = web position gold..

Even google say not to use these "type" of programs to check ranking as many people run 1000's of k/w auto queries which goes against TOS

Don't use unauthorised computer programmes to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programmes consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ which send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

Taken from http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769

Flying Monkeys

03-26-2008, 07:19 AM

Thanks and that's what I was afraid of when it came to software. I read that from Google and it's part of the reason why I started this thread. I was simply afraid 'did these seo softwares infringe on google's tos' And your answer was a simple 'yes'.

I was checking out that site you gave me 'seo moz'. It said there are over 200+ factors to google rankings. Do you know where I could find a comprehensive list of these?? Or at least something close?

I'm an analytical person and like check-lists. That's why I ask. Thanks.

p.s. Good morning. It seems that your up when I'm up, dark and early. Lol

gabs

03-26-2008, 07:35 AM

I was simply afraid 'did these seo softwares infringe on google's tos' And your answer was a simple 'yes'.

You can limit the number of quiries these ap's run..

I was checking out that site you gave me 'seo moz'. It said there are over 200+ factors to google rankings. Do you know where I could find a comprehensive list of these?? Or at least something close?

I'm an analytical person and like check-lists. That's why I ask. Thanks.

Don't worry about a list.. Its not important.. The list on seomoz is covers the main areas.. Basically the 200 is a made up number of variables that a site/page can have..

The thing to think / learn is how to have out signals.. 3 types of sites.. A hub (a side that offers links to authority site e.g. wiki). Authority sites e.g. BMW offical site... And other..

Hope that helps..

p.s. Good morning. It seems that your up when I'm up, dark and early. Lol

I'm in the UK .. its 11:35 here :D

Flying Monkeys

03-26-2008, 07:44 AM

gabs

03-26-2008, 07:55 AM

11:35 pm? ....

By 'hub' do you mean "mysite.com"* needs to be linked from sites like wiki? or to sites like wiki? What are common techniques doing this?

What do you mean by authority sites, as related to "mysite.com"*?

11 am ...

wiki is like a hub imho.. A article on a topic that references authority sites..

A search for "cancer" returns wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer
At the bottom it lists external links to all the govemental sites (authority) let alone the internal references..

#2 for cancer is a authority ..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cancer
www.cancerresearchuk.org which is a authority site on the subject..
It has limited number of external links and Only to other authority site like the NHS in the uk..

HTH

Flying Monkeys

03-26-2008, 08:02 AM

HTH?

My school's comp blocks google.com.uk; I have no idea why, when google.com is fine.....

So are you basically saying intertwine the site your optimizing with other 'authority' sites. (wiki, google's top ranked...etc)?

Also, what does everyone think of these tools by seo moz?
seomoz (dot) org (forwardslash) tools

ps. thanks again gabs for seo moz site, it gave me 53 things to start with. Plenty to work with for a while.

mjgiorgianni

03-31-2008, 08:40 PM

Heard of SEO Suite 8????

Resonate

03-31-2008, 09:16 PM

Heard of SEO Suite 8????

Crap! total waste of money as is

seo elite
ibp
webceo

All are, the only reason i see people purchasing such software is to claim they are "perofessional seo's" & can hand out white label reports. Personaly for my seo consultancy i create my own reports using nothing but pur knowledge of search engines. Every thing you could ever want to know can be found via yahoo site exploer, google commands etc

ninaway

04-02-2008, 10:16 AM

this is the first time i`m hering of seo software does it really exist?

tata

04-02-2008, 10:48 AM

there is a good site on this .it explains topics like LSA LSI LSO and more you can get more here .:)

Flying Monkeys

04-07-2008, 07:20 AM

yup. many different companies offer this type of software and from what I hear people are saying 'just do it by hand, because seo is a fine line, plus it's cheaper'.

just google 'seo software' and check them out for yourself.

MikeDammann

04-07-2008, 07:32 AM

Let's say you had the best programmers in the world at your fingertips, what would you tell them to get done that you yourself would use?

gabs

04-07-2008, 08:01 AM

Let's say you had the best programmers in the world at your fingertips, what would you tell them to get done that you yourself would use?

I'd get them to make a S**t hot site that wouldn't need a seo as it would be above all that ;)

e.g. a new google heheheehe

MikeDammann

04-07-2008, 11:40 AM

OK, so there are no free rides, but how can we minimize effort and maximize results? :hippie:

gabs

04-07-2008, 11:51 AM

Content and links are the key really..

Using software to so called "find links" can't but to great as anyone else using it can also find the same links..

Many paths in life and lemmings often take the wrong one..

Think about footprints.. All those directory using the same php code and with the same listings add NO value to the internet or the users thus google devaules them..