Google Web Search still thinks he IS internet

[Davilac]

Matt again saying we are evil because we sell links which is not good for Google Web Search. Who cares about Google? Why must we use nofollow? :mad:

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/002955.html

[SEOJaimie]

I think everyone agrees that everyone is not going to use the "link condom" scheme that Matt proposed. Even whitehats seem opposed. That includes me.

This time Matt stepped over the line. If you analyze it in terms of what happens in regular advertising, paid advertising [ analog to links ] also buys you recognition [ ranking ].

It might be wise to try to discount link networks like [ we know who they are ], but paid links are a valid form of advertising. Sorry, Matt.

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[Bruno]

I don't believe that they can say for sure which link is paid. They now if casino link is on education site but if is related and placed at good position they just don't know if is paid or not.

[Old Welsh Guy]

It is a sticky one certainly. But the answer is simple. Ask yourself would you advertise there if you got no link benefit. If the answer is no, then it isn't advertising it is out and out PR/anchor text manipulation.

Oh and it is Google's ball so they say what game we play :(

[Old Welsh Guy]

I don't believe that they can say for sure which link is paid. They now if casino link is on education site but if is related and placed at good position they just don't know if is paid or not.

Bruno that is just it though, Google don't HAVE to know, they can throw as many babies out with the bathwater as they like. As long as what is left is acceptable to them thn they will be happy.

[SEOJaimie]

I tend to disagree. Google does not wield that much power, and the idea is not something people are fond of...

And I totally agree with the concept that Google can't really determine what is a paid link.

Analyzing link patterns [ though I'm not an expert in graph theory, I did enough of it in math classes to make an educated guess ] is an expensive algorithm. So it can determine some patterns, but it can't do it exhaustively for every site. And even then, on a site that actually has legitimate content in his network, and some paid news site links ... it's nearly impossible to discount the paid links. Then it also has to determine which links are paid and which aren't. Presuming you actually purchased relevent links, that's also almost impossible. Having a gray list is easy, and it can make an assessment that links from known pages that accept paid links are worth less, but discounting them isn't really an option. So I'd make sure not to ONLY use paid links in a campaign .. because perhaps then all my links are on the "graylist."

Anyone who isn't trying to build real organic links as well has a more profound problem.

Things like Linkvault will probably be going out of vogue soon, unless they adapt. I also question why outbound links put right at the bottom of a page after all the copy to some random site still work so well. But like I said, even those seem to still work. If it's so easy, why is Google still not filtering it? It's all about algorithmic complexity.

Matt can see it all because he has a tool to help him gleen out the links, but then using human intellignce to work it out. There are many other things that we can do that a computer can't or won't do in an acceptable amount of time.

Then again, neither of us are at a top-notch PHd level. But speaking as a decent computer scientist, I'd say the complexity of these algorithms is high enough that unless computers start speeding up exponentially instead of factors of 2, and the internet keeps growing closer to exponentially, link building will work indefinately.

J

[viggen]

Matt again saying we are evil because we sell links which is not good for Google Web Search. Who cares about Google? Why must we use nofollow? :mad:

http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/002955.html

Type in at Google something like "buy links" and you will see the Serp is plastered by Adwords-Ads promoting the apparently terrible algo-infesting practice called selling/buying links.

So what does that tell you? Right, it is ok to look for places that sell links as long as Google makes money with it, but once you clicked the Adwords ad and you use the service from the companies advertised on the Google site, well then they want to penalize the shit out of you --
--do not evil, yeah right.....

regards
viggen